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Angel 1x9 [EARLY ACCESS]
Added 2025-08-11 17:54:08 +0000 UTC
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What a great episode. It took a dark turn very fast and I was not expecting Doyle's sacrifice at this point in the show. I mean we still are in the first half of the first season with only 3 main characters and we're loosing one... If his death is confirmed in the next episodes, it really was a bold move to make. I knew you were gonna notice the blue light. A lot of people don't because the scene is so emotional that it is possible to not pay attention to a little detail like that during your first viewing. But details are important in the Buffyverse (even if we don't always have an explanation right away). So, this episode (obviously) deals with racism and fascist organizations ready to eradicate all those they consider to be inferior to them. Not very subtle as the imagery instantly evokes nazism (the uniforms, the military, the way of talking and of course the words themselves). As Giles said during BTVS s02: the subtext is rapidly becoming text đ I will argue though that subtlety is not always required when you want to deliver a message. It was relevant in 1999 and it is even more relevant today as we live in a society even less tolerant than 25 years ago IMO (concerning racism at least). You said everything that needed to be said on that topic so I won't paraphrase you. I find interesting that demons are represented in a different way in ATS than what we have seen so far in BTVS. ATS is supposed to be more "adult" than BTVS so it is logical that demons representation is more nuanced here. In BTVS demons are the physical manifestation of the challenges teenagers have to face while growing up. So they are (most of the time anyway) depicted as a negative thing to overcome. ATS deals with problems that adults have to face; problems that are morally more complex, so the demons can represent a vast diversity of things. I personally think that life becomes harder as an adult and that the world seems even less understandable the older you gets (maybe it will change if I reach a more advanced age but I'm still in my 30s). Concerning the parallels with fascism, it is interesting to note that the Scourge consider themselves as pure demons. But we know from Anya in BTVS s03 that pure demons are not tainted by human blood and are way bigger than regular demons. Clearly those demons are not at all as "pure" as they say they are. It reminds me of a short dark-haired dictator who promoted the vision of the "superior" aryan race, tall blond people, as the perfect ideal to reach for humankind. It's a nice touch by the writers to further enhance the parallels between the Scourge and the nazis. At last, I just want to say I appreciate very much the use of the "ad" video at the beginning and at the end of the episode. The words Doyle said have now a completely different meaning and the "Am I done" at the end is heartbreaking if it is really the last thing we'll see of him. Thank you again Tyler for your work and take care of yourself. One last thing though: I'm pretty certain the instrument we hear in the credits is a cello but you clearly are airdoublebassing. I find it funny so you don't have to change anything but I just wanted to point that out (and yes I am a classical music nerd so I had to say it đ).
Aurelius 19
2025-08-13 19:42:36 +0000 UTCI wouldn't say this was an overcorrection. I more so mentioned what I mentioned previously in the Willow episode because I felt something tugging at me to hold back in that episode, but expressing that in that video was me discarding that instinct. Ultimately, in that video regarding Willow, I didn't hold back with any of my criticism, it was more so explaining why I was bringing it up. As for this situation, I don't think this situation is Angel's alone to make because it influences Buffy directly. It takes something from her, it takes her time, it takes her experiences and he doesn't consult her or ask if she's alright with that. I think there's some suffering here as per point of view. The story is being told from Angel's pov and so we follow him, are enamoured towards him throughout the episode from his viewpoint, and I think it's tempting with that in mind to only see the situation from his pov. Put yourself in Buffy's shoes. Suddenly you only have one minute and you find out your prospective partner has made a decision to erase it, all of it, to take that from you and you can no longer do anything about it, weren't even given the chance to. How would that make you feel in that moment? It'll differ from person to person but I do think we underestimate how Angel makes that decision FOR her. Yes to his mind he's making that decision for himself, but in reality it spans further than that and he doesn't consider it. Or he does consider it and discards it, and that deserves criticism too. 'Ultimately, the decision concerned his life entirely' - it doesn't though. It heavily influences Buffy. Her whole life trajectory is being changed here, she's considering a genuine partnership with a human Angel, making considerations as to how that would work, emotional work to shift towards that life. The excuse of 'well she won't remember it' I think is a little cheap and doesn't afford her any autonomy in a decision that affects both of them. 'There was one line that, to me, offered a strong and entirely relatable rationale for not speaking with Buffy first: âI didnât know if I could do it if I woke up with you one more dayâ' - this offers a relatable rationale sure, I think we can all understand why Angel made the decision he made, but I don't think that bears any influence on this specific conversation. There are many reasons as to the why of why he does it, but the conversation isn't why he did it, it's SHOULD he have done it considering the context of Buffy's involvement and how it both impacts her and *takes* (specifically takes) something from her. Respectfully, Angel not being strong enough or not being able to do it for that reason is his problem, not Buffy's, and ultimately isn't a good enough reason for doing what he did in not consulting her first. It goes beyond being considerate to her (it would be considerate, yes, but that's not the point to my mind), it's a matter of duty to involve someone in a decision that effects their life, the life they had chosen, as well as his. Everything underneath the section in your comment of 'What does this tell me?' I agree with, but none of that justifies not telling her. It supplies context to us as the audience as to why he did what he did, which we can understand, but it doesn't actually justify his decision in doing it.
Tyler Alexander
2025-08-13 16:37:05 +0000 UTCFirst, I really appreciate your commentary. Today, while listening to your thoughts on Angelâs decision in the last episode, I couldnât help but think back to your discussion in that earlier videoâspecifically regarding the comments suggesting you were a misogynist, and how those comments began to influence how you expressed your views. I wonder if, in this case, there might have been an overcorrectionâor perhaps not, and we simply disagree on the situation. Generally, I tend to believe that, at the end of the day, the decision Angel made was his alone to make. Could he have discussed it with Buffy first? Absolutelyâand doing so would have been a fine way to demonstrate care and consideration for her feelings, position, and opinions. But do I think he was in any way obligated to discuss it with her? No, I donât. Ultimately, the decision concerned his life entirely, and while seeking her opinion would have been considerate, ifâhypotheticallyâhe had asked and she was adamant in her opposition, I still believe that going through with it would have been entirely his prerogative. With that hopefully explained clearly, hereâs where I think my position could intersect with the one you expressed in your video. There was one line that, to me, offered a strong and entirely relatable rationale for not speaking with Buffy first: âI didnât know if I could do it if I woke up with you one more dayâ (quoted as closely as I can from memory). This admission, in my view, completely explains why he didnât take what we can both agree would have been the considerate step of discussing it with her first. What does this tell me? 1. It tells me that Angelâs mind was already made up, and any conversation with Buffy would have been purely out of courtesy rather than a genuine exploration of his options. 2. It suggests that his decision to act without telling her may have been driven by a concern thatâwhile he believed he was making the best choiceâshe might have been able to persuade him to change his mind, and he didnât want that to happen. Iâve been following you for a while (which is unusual for me on Patreon, as Iâm a content creator/reactor myself), but I donât comment often. I hope you get the chance to read this, as Iâd very much like to hear your thoughts.
Brandon Scott
2025-08-13 08:50:14 +0000 UTC
