Naruto Shippuden Ep. 370

I love the interesting discussions tobirama's character causes, such a pivotal character

vic

lmao

BOLDcast

thanks for taking the time. I don't even disagree with you, actually. I even said in one of these discussions, that Tobirama was the right hokage for the job at that time. Hashirama Was the hokage the world and the village needed at that time. The visionary who could see how to create peace. And Tobirama, as his first successor was burdened with everything that came after, much like a Danzo type figure. And Tobirama wasn't nearly as bad as Danzo. Tobirama is exactly the kind of commander you want in a war. He's sharp, logical, aware, and willing to go to any length to achieve the mission. A true Shinobi. However, whether it was a burden of the times or due to his own insufficiencies, he contributed more than anyone to the conflict with the Uchiha. It was his Bias that pushed the uchiha to the fringes of the village, treated them like outsiders, did everythign he could to seperate them from the identity of the rest of the village, and he did so because of his own personal feelings; something notable against his normally logical demeanor. This lingering prejudice and spite for the uchiha is what makes him a good character, but if we had someone more like Hashirama as the second hokage, I doubt things would have turned out this way. For the simple reason that hashirama thought of the uchiha as his family, just like any hokage should. Yes, the Uchiha did threaten the village, and no that was not Tobirama's fault. But like the third hokage that came after him, Tobirama had the option to accept the uchiha and treat them as family, as the comrades in arms that they could have been. To break through that cycle of intense love and hatred that the uchiha struggle with and to treat them as brothers. And instead, he let his personal fears and feelings (justified or not) related to the deaths of senju at the hands of uchiha get in the way of what was best for everyone. Its not a knock on his character, like I said thats exactly why he's a super interesting character. Its his one major flaw. The one piece of personal bias that interferes with his position and what separates him from his brother.

BOLDcast

I will assume that you guys forgot all the flashbacks where Tobirama was shown or talked about him, which is ok since Hashirama was the God of the Shinobi and Madara's rival (the main villain), Minato was always seen as the Hokage most powerful and talented man who saved the village and also Naruto's dad, we basically knew Hiruzen since the show started. The first ninja war was not started by Tobirama, it was started by Ginkaku and Kinkaku, who broke the first formal alliance between the Leaf and the Cloud, thanks to Tobirama and the Second Raikage, culminating in the death of both. We have not reached that part yet, but if those conflicts started it was because Hashirama died and before that he decided to give the tailed beasts to the other villages, a problem that Tobirama tried to avoid, but since Hashirama is more powerful obviously he had to follow him and limit himself to his role as a counselor. I already commented in another video on the subject of everything that Tobirama invented so many things that the village of the Leaf was the most powerful of all and a model to follow for the rest, but I insist, Tobirama managed to keep the Uchiha stable with the Military Police giving them a prominent role over the other clans and preventing them from taking control as Hokages because it is proven that emotional instability would drive them crazy ... not to mention what happens if you read the Uchiha Stone, lol. When Hiruzen takes command is when the problems with the Uchiha begin since, although Hiruzen had good intentions, he was too soft and never controlled Danzo, neither of them handled relations with the Uchiha correctly and all that triggered in The massacre, Tobirama has nothing to do with it, I already explained in another comment that in all the mandates of the Hokage some corrupt or malicious Uchiha have emerged and that they have some dangerous resource for it, such as the Mangekyo Sharingan, in all except Tobirama's. In conclusion, I personally believe that you are being too unfair to Tobirama, he has every reason to hate the Uchiha for the death of his brothers and yet he invented a very important charge for them and managed to discover among them an Uchiha with the Will of Fire forged by his brother Hashirama, who later had Shisui as his descendant, who was basically Itachi's mentor, who in my opinion is the best Uchiha of all. That would be it, sorry for so much text, great reaction!

Alonso Alé-Jara

yeah i corrected myself. Its not that everything was his fault, but he had more chances than anyone to change things for the better. If Hashirama or Minato were in his position, I genuinely think things would have ended up differently. Not that I don't love the old man, but even he admits that he didn't live up to his office.

BOLDcast

Karin is back to her simpin' ways lol

Karl Thomas

Karin and Suigetsu are basically siblings

I think its kinda unfair to say the third hokage didn’t do anything like I mean he was hokage for a longggg time so of course there was gonna be a lot of mistakes. Pretty sure he was the longest kage out of any kage in shinobi history. Also about taking care of naruto or looking after sasuke. I think he did the best he could under his circumstances. As we know with Tsunade, the hokage is so busy with paper work and stuff that they barely are home.

J Hunte