Ep. 185 Premium - nick makes the worst hypothetical ever, asked to leave [VIDEO]

It was so fucking over when it became about American politics, thank fuck nick was here to bring it home

Myriapoda03

Im a bit late to this but pretty sure at 30:00 Ludwig is talking about an online show called "The sex factor" that was so bad it was funny. They had like Keiran Lee and Asa Akira as judges.

Lennarth 27th

bro ludwig is so wrong… zac efron didn’t sing in only the first HSM

Madeline

The UK, Famously not a catholic country

Joshua Haskett

Ye I gonna say Aidan underestimates the Republican propaganda machine. Anyone over 65 is only hearing Trump's insane shit because the GOP channels feed it to them. I don't think Trump would have won without the support of networks like Fox News. I totally see where the argument comes from I think Trump could have been the independent who broke the 2 party system but he would have needed the support of legacy conservative media and I don't that would have happened if he didn't have the nomination.

Thomas Reuther

I actually can’t finish this ep this election convo is so stupid. Aiden is either hilariously wrong or he’s arguing some irrelevant hypothetical situation in which the republicans straight up don’t run a candidate.

Hahlen Barkhau

I love when Ludwig and Aiden start arguing different things.

Chris Cole

Aiden calling Omaha a small town makes me hate his bald ass more

Kansil

Aiden is so wrong lmao. Most trump voters are half asleep and just filling in the republican bubble.

Evan Waara

i think they’ve gotten too comfortable

Jon

When I read the title, I really under estimated how bad the hypothetical would be.

Grayed1

I build f-15s

Connor Hayes

Boo👎

Otto

There’s no way Trump wins as an independent. Aiden is demonizing 77 million Americans.

Luke

Rare Aidan crash out ep

SpreadJoy

exactly, Aiden's argument was clearly something he's thought about quite a bit so it had solid depth but he vastly overestimates how many republicans voted for Trump specifically and not just the republican ticket because that's all they've ever known since birth.

Drew

1) I think slime would benefit from an autistic gf. 2) he’s right during the whole “argument with your gf” part.

Simran

This episode is a perfect example of how ludwig switches, and can't be trusted

Kyle Valley

this republican would pull votes away from trump at like 5x the rate at which they'd pull votes away from kamala/any other D. Trump could still get a comfortable second place (and probably comes the closes to winning out of any third party in modern history) but gets dusted by kamala trump would win over far right maga voters but literally 90% of all right leaning independents would go for the generic republican

Jordan Brantner

aiden stuck in the twitter black hole of thinking every republican is a huge trump fanatic and not just a very loud and annoying percentage of them

asouo

Damn I never seen this pateron argue in the comment sections like this what yall opinons on one piece

Tyrell Arnold

I thought you guys knew a lot more about politics until you started this debate here.... Literally millions of people vote Republican ticket or Democrat ticket down the board, so like Ludwig said in all of Trump's attempts and proven by the actual results Trump as an independent would split votes amongst Republicans enough that a traditional Democrat would win.. even in Trump's case as this total cult of personality and getting more votes if the fracture is him taking half the Republican votes he is not taking an equal amount of Democrats votes, meaning very simple math that a very average Democrat takes down the other two(it is not even close), which is why they had to fold and give him the nomination rather that guaranteed loss to Dems in 2016 and at the time seemed like a resounding loss coming to everyone and everything that ever prognosticated, If it was Hillary vs Cruz vs Trump with all his own money into the campaign and not the GOP backing just Ted winning Texas sinks Trump, and so this Trump process was born, he is a means to their end of enacting the agenda put in place 40 years ago achieving things like striking down Roe etc. Further evidence this time showing it wouldn't be a clean 3 way split or all Repubs to Trump is how they ran RFK Jr. to try and siphon off some idiot Dems who would vote that name and a few independents who would take his causes and pull Biden votes, however as soon as the general switched to Kamala those people are choosing RFK and those votes are far more likely to swing people away from Trump's favor so they immediately dropped him (same person financing RFK as Trump) and that was all to sway what 1 million potential votes one way or another?? (Fun sidenote if you were masochistic enough to read this far, 759,363 morons still voted RFK Jr and whether you know many things or very little please take a few minutes a look up this one detail... Google "RFK jr first wife" and read the few small paragraphs on her personal life and death... I feel this is the only information one needs to know considering both RFK Jr. and the state of US politics and where we are headed.) Nick, thanks for bringing it back to logic, Trump's breathtaking pussy.

Josh Scott

that isn't true at all, you are not basing your analysis on statistics and you're calling people stupid for it. If you think that everyone who voted for the republican party is a diehard trump fan you are insane.

Lion

I think aiden underestimates how many people when voting just vote by party; I went to vote for the first time (in virginia) and Dems/Repubs were offering sheets saying who to support and just about everyone asked for one to follow

Calle T.

These comments are crazy work. if you dont like the politics section don't scream about skipping it then write a 300 page dissertation on it in the comments anyways. Just skip it.

Calicojack

Aiden is literally always right it's insane

Jacob

Obviously over 100 years ago but Teddy Rosevelt was a similarly beloved personality who went independent and split the vote with a much less popular republican (Taft). I think it’s similar enough to be considered at least

Calenono

Aiden looks like Niko Bellic

Noah Mugford

Aiden, millions of people will vote for the Republican Party for the sole fact that they have done so for their whole lives. The same is true for the Democratic Party.

Will Keller

True, it's hard for people to understand the entirety of the right wing when you are so entrenched socially on the other side.

Forbes McKenzie

100% true

Forbes McKenzie

”The left vote wouldn't change" take from Ludwig is so insane considering it's been heavily speculated that divided Democrat voter lines on social issues likely contributed to Kamala's loss. It's the age-old "follow the player or follow the team" sports situation. Think about how many Mavericks fans are following Luka to LA because of how shit the Mavs handled that situation/how beloved Luka is. Trump is the only politician in the last 60 years with the star power to turn Republican voters against the party if they didnt let him run Red.

SrDezi

First time in a Patreon ep I had to fast forward past a section

Joe Coculo

Okay but the immortal birthing bit would be so good for a sci fi story

Korona

39:13 Ludwig and slime are fucking idiots for this one, Donald trump literally is the Republican Party, old guard republicans either didn’t vote or voted for Kamala in the last election. Also it’s no underestimating, local elections are literally being won and lost by wether people are in the good graces of the trump sect of the right, almost ever single republican winner in the last midterm won with the messaging “I support trump and he endorses me” it wasn’t “I’m endorsed by the republican party” it was “I am endorsed by trump” and honestly it’s this dumbass shit that leads to democrats losing over and over again because they just underestimate how powerful that base is and they essentially just say “well fuck it all the maga voters are extremists and we can’t turn them so we need to focus on turning the center right to the left” because they are under this fuck ass impression that republicans still exist and they just literally fucking don’t. Honestly trump has effectively preformed a hostile takeover of the Republican Party so he would never need to run as an independent because he essentially already is one.

Theo T

Absolutely. There would be no way he could funnel enough Republican voters to win lol

OrphanCrippler

Respect to Lud for rocking the tampon jibit 🫡

Jamie Wallis

bro doesnt know about skipping ahead

Bryce

This is the most wrong I have ever heard Aiden be

john roberts

first time i turn off an epi, sorry aimen I couldn't hear u yap bs

Andres Z

ludwig looking extremely non-binary this episode

Jess

Aiden is so wrong, so many lifetime republicans held their nose and voted for trump. They’d vote for for any republican on the ticket. Democrats sweep here.

Nate Brunette

As someone who loves HIMYM and has watched it thrice the voiceover fact changed my world view

BlazeMarc

Aiden is so wrong it’s crazy oh my god does he actually think that

Mars

Had to stop watching at the politics section this is the worst take I've heard. The most frustrating part is Aiden's insistence on generalizing red voters as Trump diehards. How cognitively dissociated do we have to be to make such widespread generalizations?

Josh Geng

Why did we have to argue about bullshit for 10 minutes 😔😔😔 no way to say who would be right, but I get the 2 party concern of just voting red or blue, but Aiden is right about trends towards the median voter in the last election. It isn't so much about republican vs democrat for our time being it's Trump vs. Whatever blue schmuck they think can be the most bipartisan when that's clearly not what people want right now whether that be through outside influence or their own core morals. The point Aiden bringing up about them losing the popular vote is a huge part of that I feel, but also makes that argument more pointless because if Republicans have been losing the popular vote for decades, you can't say how the forces in government would sway 🤷‍♂️

Mallow

I thought Aiden would've been more knowledgeable about just how many people wake up on election day, drive to the polling booth, and bubble D/R without ever looking at the name

Sandevistan

fuck man slime saying he though ludwig was being a badass after the charity stream tweet killed me

serendipitous goatsie

this is my first video on patron ever and they are talking about CP 😭

Dylan Sacco

This is Aiden’s worst take on the show

Bran Est

not a great ep but if it’s “ruining your day” it’s time to take a 10-15 minute-long look in the mirror

Luke Shaw

The Yard is my #1 source for all things CP

ddtr jared

Seconded.

inflatablepenguin

you guys need to stop saying it like that omgggg 😭😭😭

Faye852

i haven't listened to the ep yet but you cannot say it like that😭😭

Faye852

A lot of non voters probably come out of the woodworks to vote for an independent trump, idk if its more than the amount of die hard republicans votes that he would lose.

Tasha

Ngl I was really tickled by the CP bit, idk people are bothered

Aaron R.

Bro is voting like I how chose my meals at the chinese next door

Aaron R.

Politics are gay

Shawn fields

Against aidens argument, I remember talking to a republican who was SUPER pro Trump, and I brought up the exact hypothetical and they said they would still just vote republican, quote "I've punched a republican vote since the day I turned 18, and I will continue to do it no matter who is in the republican seat." Which granted is incredibly stupid, but it is against the argument

Hayden Albrecht

I never comment but Nick's absolute dogshit hypotheticals have broken my silence. Banger EP

Ben Isaacson

first time i've ever disagreed with aiden, i think there's gotta be at least like 5% of the republican base that sticks with the party

Thomas

As a polisci master’s student Aiden is smoking weed

Luke Brotzge

Yall should get lazy mattman on the Podcast, i think that would be interesting

tubemaster42

aiden great takes as per semi usual from CIA-aimen, think it just came across misconstrued but trump running as an independent is extremely likely he’d still win in the current standing trump and the rich dicks around him have more public political power than the republican party, trump won bc he’s trump sadly, edit: jesus christ just saw the hate in the comments for this premo no idea why loved it

Toby van der Niet

brother... it was like a 10 minute political conversation filled with opinions and this is a comment section... like what are we doing?

Kaleb DeMuth

I want you to know that I say this with as little meanness and as much love as my sad shriveled heart can manage: I really think you are going to be this frustrated for the rest of your life unless you either become a dialectical materialist or give up on having political opinions. Culture war liberalism just isn't going to get you there.

ChairMaster

bro everyone HATED this ep but im laughing my ass off at the hypothetical and the CP bit

doddi

I am not smart enough to figure out who right on the trump debate all i know nick is the funniest person and "what if i had a pussy" is going to be stuck in my head for weeks.

jerameee

I don't care yall get political, you're people and you're going to comment on the happenings of the world like everyone else. But to say the least Aiden refusing to listen to what Ludwig is actually saying is frustrating, I'm sure you will see watching back because you're a rational person. But just think about what Ludwig is trying to convey Aiden instead of what you want to say next. It least that's how it felt watching

Cam Bacarella

SHIP MY CRACK PIPE ALREADY DAMN I WANNA USE IT AS MY GYM SHIRT

S4d1st

This might be a bit reductive, especially given his take on how police butcher dogs and people in America. If he was a msnbc lib shill he'd be pro cop.

tybahza

Aiden is trippin on this one the Trump would need to pull 96% of the republicans over to independent to win.

Avery Langston

Boys I ordered the fishing fest and matching shorts in green like in November and them shits still haven’t got here what we doing about this !!

Ben Xxxx

when commenters forget its a comedy podcast ^

Fung

Also a fair number who decided not to vote, or wrote in Ronald Reagan or whatever.

Philidor1726

I mostly agree with you, but you're thinking of Ramaswamy. Ramasquamy is the character Squeex played on GTARP. :)

Philidor1726

This is probably the worst episode of the premium, i unhearted it. three 15 minute tirades on the worst shit ive ever heard in my life has ruined my day. gonna go listen to the stavros ep

Arielle

straight up the worst premo i have ever listened to. that DOGSHIT cp bit was somehow the best part.

DaveGuy

I think he has Trump Derangement Syndrome, his understanding of politics is just based on goofy MSNBC worldview rather than like material reality.

ChairMaster

You are showcasing at least 2 things i forgot; 1, some of the boys' audience are VERY young, thx for reminding me. 2, politics attracts the most obnoxious idiots who has got the most worthless input i could ever imagine...

Casper Skriver

My brother Bryce Donovan's first WWE match will be on Tubi March 3rd everyone better go watch with all the shade the yard gives Tubi

FancyBear

Like I just don't know if he's not understanding the question or why he seems to think that just because trump won a primary that means he can pull enough sway to win the election running against a standard republican and dem nomination. It's not just about funding, quite literally the amount of votes that would be pulled by having a "safe" republican pick for the mitch mcconnel types would make it virtually impossible to even come close to winning.

thatmfdiego

@Woodus what

thatmfdiego

I think this is one of those scenarios where Aimen rejects the premise and doesn't engage with the hypothetical. He's 100% right in that Trump awakened a base of voters that are drawn in by his populist approach regardless of party affiliation, which would mean he'd likely run the most successful independent campaign ever, but that doesn't mean he'd even come close to winning the presidency. It just doesn't make any logical sense to expect what would basically have to be a close to 100% conversion rate when changing party affiliation. I know so many people who voted for Trump simply because he's the republican ticket, no knowledge about his policies, not MAGA, just straight up "that's the way my family has always voted".

thatmfdiego

Holy fuck I didnt know Aiden was retarded

ProjectShady

Aiden is so wrong holy shit - I normally think he's the political one but holy shit

COAL GOLEM

The analogies nicks dark twisted mind come up with got me scared I’m grabbing a blanket

Yerbs

I’m on mushrooms but that face Nick made is the funniest shit I ever saw

Yerbs

Aiden saying "THEY" like, he's Ye at 2am

Ash

Aiden underestimating how many republicans voted trump because that was the only Republican option. Votes would have been split way harder away from an independent trump.

Daniel Olenick

At 7:54 Ludwig specifically made me feel uncomfy

Avery Langston

I totally understand the instinct to feel defensive when your point is being dismissed. My understanding of the initial point was that in a world where there is a Democratic Nominee, a Republican Nominee, and an independent Trump, Trump would not win. Which, towards the end of the segment it did get touched on quickly. I think that your points were all very valid in the reality we live in. The world where the RNC did bow to the power of the MAGA army and it was Trump and Red Voters vs Blue voters. You made wonderful points. However when anyone tried to clarify the prompt/question/fake scenario, they would get a couple words out and then you'd be talking again. Which I get. Its easy to get caught up and feel defensive. Or not heard. I usually don't even comment but I wanted to this time around because I know you are the kind of person who is open to feedback and growth. We've seen it on the pod real time. I've seen my own growth in moments of defensiveness by letting the other individuals clarify their thoughts. Taking a breath and letting them get their thoughts out too. Because I personally would have loved to see the initial idea of Dem v Rep v Trump go wild. Who would the RNC put in to seem normal? Imagine a debate between Harris, Trump and Ramasquami. Etc. Food for thought. Love you Aimen

Grace K

Aidan is not spitting facts, yes he would still get millions of votes but millions would still vote for a republican, splitting the vote and causing the democrats win.

Alberto Verrilli

I think I could be less defensive but I think I edge that way when I feel like the context or what I am explaining is being dumped over as ridiculous. However, which points that were brought up do you feel I did not address? I feel like I attempted to explain and answer their disagreements, I don't think explaining is filibustering - I also tried to type up my thoughts in this thread if you're looking for a more succinct version of what I was trying to say here.

The Yard

I'm not saying that it's even the most likely outcome but I think it is way, way more realistic than people seem to think, and I think the primary results are in support of it rather than something that damns it. Politically engaged Republicans understand how splitting the vote works and the uneducated voter who does not I think is actually way more susceptible to a Trump Independent campaign (subject to the media still being behind him, which I think is a good critique a lot of people have brought up) - this idea that there are diehard, check the box Red no matter what, politically engaged enough to vote, but also don't pay enough attention to know Trump is running voters is just like non-existent I think. I also wanna add that I think that's really only possible due to his notoriety as a previous President and everything that comes along with that, I don't think this would be possible in like any other conceivable scenario (and this is an argument about something that cannot happen after all).

The Yard

This is not lost on me and actually what I built my take around, is that the staunch support for Haley or whoever the Republican candidate is actually not that large (as demonstrated through the primary) and that pool of highest engaged voters are the most likely to recognize they need to side with Trump in order to win the general in the scenario outlined. If Trump can scale/poll similar popularity as an Independent leading up to the general, then he forces Republicans to make the same decision they already did in practice.

The Yard

awwww i love when the boys talk about wanting to perform unethical experiments on Aiden 💙

Ar Ortiz

Ngl Poli sci major here Aidan is spitting. Even as an independent look at his cabinet members full of billionaires he would fs get the funding as well as from more dubious overseas donations (more than hr had alr). Plus the Republican Party tried to back different candidates besides Trump multiple times to no avail. Even as an independent Trump would also implement project 2025 so they wouldn’t be too harmed by the loss to an independent.

Aidan Flynn

I never comment but aimen is so confidently smoking penis on this one

Sonny Tofani

Aiden, please stop filabustering when the boys disagree with you. You get defensive and riled up to the point that when one of the other guys tries to talk, you immediately talk over them. The points made about the MAGA base were valid but you, ultimately, weren't answering the question posed. Which it took way too long for you to realize because you wouldn't let anyone else talk.

Grace K

I understand what your point is now. You’re likely right. I think I just see how diehard mfs are for Trump and how many people are so against the last admin and just flat out misogynistic that Trump would win this election almost no matter what. I also don’t know much about how the two parties fuck over the independent party like you say. Part of me believes that with how Trump is, he’d be able to convince a good portion of republicans to switch. This mainly comes from not seeing much from republicans that isn’t complete bootlicking. Which I guess I understand now…gotta kiss the ring type shit

TheAmazingWebb

Your apolitical im scared of politics because your privlege is screaming is like gonna affect the women in your life. Ouuu scaryy politics. Maybe like consume things you use for cleaning if politics is scary. its almost as if politics is important to a lot of people. You can go watch jerma vods if you want.

Woodus

Mad because Aiden is bald

Splashman Diaz

That political brain rot segment, please please please never again. The internet is 99% people talking politics it seems, please please please don't ever become a part of that.

Casper Skriver

please.. full hypothetical episodes where Nick is in charge

TinyTim

aiden dumb

Ford

Woke up to find out Aiden posted generational cringe

XymphosCraK

tldr?

luca favata

I also don't think he'd win, but with Elon backing + owning twitter he might have the funds and media empire to make it seem possible. Plus potential grassroots number bump from ppl who hate politicians in general, cause that was his original appeal in 2015. Would certainly be the highest 3rd party pop vote count OAT.

Alex Meiller

aiden is underestimating the "lesser of two evils" voters that didnt want kamala and saw trump as the better option. Half the men in my family voted for trump for this reason. I disagree with aiden and I live in MAGA ridden GA

Kaleb DeMuth

Aiden is dead wrong. He is overestimating how much research voters do and is letting the super loud maga people are. The average republican voter doesn't care who is telling them to hate immigrants, they just that it's a republican because they've been raised for generations to think republicans believe what they believe.

Matthew Alvaro

Not entirely true. There is a base sure, like there is with kamala. But a lot of people that voted right," deep down was as simple as, no woman is my president especially not a DEI one" Trump would burn all of his money before he gets anywhere. You are not understanding the infastructure for the 2 parties and how little there is for independents. The parties set it up that way cause indepedents have always been the biggest threat to those 2. The most bipartisian issue in this country is fucking over independents. IT would be a OAT independent run. But a lot of trumpers aren't even that deep in the cult. Some are just literally wishing there was someone else. I know a lot of people who only voted for him off of just him saying groceries would get cheaper. If a less old, hotter republican canidate that doesn't spray tan and dye his hair as a 79 year old man is available and actually has relatablity to people. Does the same podcast circuit. Its just not gonna work out. you are under estitmating how many people voted for him off just pros and cons with biases.

Woodus

I mean most pronatalist stuff is Erasure based. Theres that one ugly ass nerd couple from the east coast that has like 12 babies? the woman looks like a cartoon evil librarian. and they posted weird shit around interacial stuff and got pressed and they like quivered and did some bullshit. (malcom and simone collins) Look them up. They are like making the weakest babies ever made. hes max 5'7 (no offense short kings its a cloudlickers world) Both have glasses. Theres an NBC video on them where they say and i quote "alternating the sex of the children every 2" they use IVF. Im not too confident on dismmising that ability? but maybe some weird crystal helps them. these people don't see their own children as kids they seem them as pawns for the future. Also respect to all the inferties out there. BUt there is something so unbelieveably cringe about not being a Natty pronatalist. Like the woman is so sad. you can tell shes like pedestalized mother hood and has a deep deep rage at her own infertility.

Woodus

Woodus

His family is from apartheid South Africa and he retweets out-and-about nazis. It's for sure coming from a very racist angle.

Matthew Alvaro

I went to Cedar Point a few months ago and they really shouldn't abbreviate it as often as they do. Walking around the park seeing a big sign for "The CP Shop"

Matthew Alvaro

I think Aiden is just underestimating just how many people there are who pay little to no attention to the news, but show up on nov 2nd and tick republican (or democrat) because that’s what their parents did, and their grandparents, and their great-grandparents. I think trump would do better than any independent ever has, but he wouldn’t win.

Alex

Why are they talking about Cookie Puss so much on this episode?

Caden Mckay

I think musks obsession with birthrate is like a white supremacist thing, like some great replacement theory shit

bill clinton stan account

What was Aiden talking about? The whole reason trump was the nominee is because it would split the vote

Valintine142

considering how close the race was, having him run independant with no real funding + a republican nominee actively propagandising against him for sure pulls enough votes away from trump for the democrats to win. Aiden is smoking dick and balls imo

Banan

this

Hanu

I very much think Aiden is right. The party really doesn’t matter when it comes to Trump. They voted for him not the party.

TheAmazingWebb

Nonsense Aiden

Tony Le

I actually just ran numbers, assuming Nikki Haley, as the runner up in the primary gets the nomination. All Kamala needed to beat trump was Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. So lets assume the Haley's supporters would vote for her, because obviously they at least would, and even though I think most of the other non-trump voters would also go for her over him, I'll give aiden the benefit of the doubt. So I'm going to subtract her primary votes in each state from Trumps total in that state to see if it is enough to flip to Kamala. In Wisconsin Nikki Haley got 76,841 votes, if that many republicans didn't vote for Trump in Wisconsin, then yes Kamala wins Wisconsin. In Michigan Nikki Haley got 297,124 primary votes. If that many voters left Trump behind, yes Kamala wins Michigan. In the big one, Pennsylvania, Nikki Haley got 157,581 votes in the republican primary. If that many Republicans stayed with her instead of voting for Trump, Pennsylvania is an easy win for Kamala. There it is that simple. Splitting the vote, even by a tiny itsy bitsy amount, in this country, is death to a political party. This is what happened every time it happened in history btw.

Thothrax

Rare Aiden L in regards to political analysis. For 1. The FAR more likely reason Trump would run independent would be that his ego would make him not want to play ball with the Establishment Republicans and strike out on his own. While the cult of personality has taken over the Republican party it's still very much not 100%, there are still McCain/Romney voters that don't like Trump, but would never vote Dem so they vote for him anyways. Those people EASILY account for more than 2 million voters. 2. The Republican Primary would go to the next best result, Nikki Haley, who by the way, got over 4 million votes instead of Trump, so even if JUST her supports stayed R, Trump loses to Kamala 3. Not running with a party gives Trump a serious leg down just logistically. Other Republican politicians won't work with him as they always fall in line with the party, and with Fox News against him he doesn't get as much screen time, and most of it becomes negative. It's so easy for them to pivot from Biden is too old to Trump is too old, the guy can't form a complete sentence. I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Trump would be the most successful third party candidate in the history of the country by far, he would also almost certainly beat the Republican nominee, but the numbers simply aren't there, he can't win by splitting the votes he already barely won with.

Thothrax

Lmfao the argument with the girlfriend was eye opening because I have been on the other side of things as the girl friend and thought the exact same thing as slime “well he said he was fine” and popped the movie on. Thank for this revelation

Holly Samford

This episode: Aiden not understanding statistics

Stevon

Don’t worry, that’s only true about the first film. He did his own vocals in the sequels which means “bet on it”, the best Troy song, was all Zac

ShaeKababy

First of all, I’d like to apologize for calling you a dumbass. I was using it interchangeably with “wrong,” which added a level of aggression that I shouldn’t have added. I’m sorry for that. My main disagreement with your argument is that, based on how I understood it, you believe the Republican Party is now largely Trump’s party. If that’s not your argument, I apologize for misrepresenting it, and you can disregard everything I say. That said, I strongly disagree with the idea that the party fully belongs to Trump. My stance comes from personal experience, but since I live in one of the reddest states in the country, I believe it’s a valid basis. The general sentiment was that the party should move on from Trump and back a younger candidate. The problem was that there was no clear consensus on who that should be. After Desantis’ flop, every candidate’s support was fluid and uncertain. Except for two groups, those being Trump’s hardcore MAGA base and Nikki Haley’s supporters, who were primarily your republican moms that were uncomfortable with Trump’s sexism. Because most undecided voters weren’t particularly concerned about the sexism issue, they gradually leaned toward Trump. If the Republicans were forced to run someone besides Trump, those people would have to vote elsewhere in the primary, likely Nikki Haley. In reality, those people fell in line because they felt like they didn’t have a viable option on the ballot besides Trump, and they really didn’t like the democrats. If there was someone running under the republican name who wasn’t Trump, then they’d view that as a viable enough option. If Trump were to run as an independent while the Republican Party nominated someone else, a portion of those who wanted to move on from Trump would back the Republican candidate, and so would a majority of those who were big Nikki fans.

HobbesTHero

Without watching the actual episode this title alone is hilarious

Cameron F

The argument was just not realistic to start with because the debate put the wrong goalposts up which is the sentence Ludwig didn't finish. These races come down to 200k votes or less in 5 states. If we assume all polling was 90% error and the 27% of people who say theyd vote R over Trump was really 5% and 95% of voting Republicans cave as you say he still loses the swing states. Yes it could easily go down that he maintains a lot of support and his numbers are best ever but he has to maintain virtually ALL OF IT to win. The margins are so low Kanye 2020 levels of votes would swing states. Also this is before we even mention how congressional races would split red voters against eachother as they had to pick sides.

Brian

Okay, this is a generalization, but I think there are two camps in the current Republican Party. A majority of the party supports Trump, and a portion of the party don't necessarily support Trump, however they are die hard republicans. Both of these groups would vote for Republican Trump in the General Election. In the world where Trump becomes an Independent, I think he might convert a lot of the Republican Party to vote for him, he might even get the majority. But there is just no world where he converts the entire Republican Vote. In the same way that people had to google who was running for the presidential election, I think there is a surprising number of voters who don't really keep up with politics or care that much about who specifically they are voting for. If Trump is independent, a lot of Republican Voters would still vote for whoever the Republican candidate is. Again, this might not even be the majority. However, enough of the vote would be split, that I think a democratic candidate would sweep.

Faraz Chowdhury

3-4% in the swing states is all he had to lose to lose this election. 27% said theyd vote republican in this exact hypothetical, the poll could have the highest error rate ever and still be enough to win.

Brian

Trump got 76% of the vote in the 2024 Republican primary. That’s way more than enough for him to lose an election if, say, Nikki Haley (who got 20%) were in the race and that’s just Republican primary voters, not independents. It’s also without having all the resources of the Republican Party behind her.

Eric

You are both underestimating how stupid/entrenched large swaths of the voter base are, and overestimating how much it takes to swing a national election. If Trump runs 3rd party (assuming the repubs run a breathing body that can physically just be on the ticket) he loses the election every. single. time. When elections are turned by single %'s or even fractions of %'s of voters in a 2 party system - 3rd party is an instant death nail (even if we assume he'd still win like 46% of the pop vote with the vast majority of his voting base transferring over)

KilljoyNE

Lud was so right in the conversation about Trump running as an independent.

inflatablepenguin

That political hypothetical was painful to listen to. *When polled this exact scenario lead to 27% of Republicans asked saying theyd back the republican party there is your answer. Jill stein got 600k votes, the other major party in the US electoral system would easily split the vote from Trump and a dem would sweep. His never trump % in the Republican party was 20-33% depending on state. For example Trump won Pennsylvania by 120k votes. Iowa had a 20% never trump rate when polled and voted much redder. 3.5% lost or gained wins Kamala the race in Penn. Wisconsin was 29k votes, Mich 80k, Georgia sub 120k. Nevada 40kish. Just for fun to show how insane the voterbase is Maryland got 20k random writeins in 2020, 33k in 2016. Counties gets hundreds each in every state. The sheer number of voters means even silly things matter like Kanye pretending to run. The most monumentous shift in hypothetical politics ever would split the vote by the 1-4% Kamala woulda needed in swing states.

Brian

Idk bout the trump shit but Aiden lookin hella cute with the buzz cut 😩😳😜

Kacey

listening to Aiden be this passionately wrong for so long is pretty hard to listen to

Travis Jones

Everyone in this episode deserves to go to hypothetical jail at some point.

John

I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is that in this imaginary world there is a republicans candidate who is actively campaigning against Trump. Obviously people were doing that in the republican primary but this is an extended campaign. Because yeah it was easy for republicans to dunk on Trump before they selected him as the nominee but once that happened what are they gonna do campaign for Kamala? No, they then got in line, but in this scenario at least a portion of the GOP grew a backbone and rejected him and would throw their weight to a Haley or DeSantis which would sway anywhere from 10-20% of republican voters imo which if you look at the state by state numbers Kamala takes most of the key ones.

Shane Hoeft

Think this was one of the first time Aiden has been so wrong about politics

Simon Hansen

I think Aiden is right about the trump independent thing. I trust his well thought out argument way more than any of these patron commenters lol. Party lines have definitely been shifting and if trump has broken every historical norm for presidents/presidential candidates thus far, who’s to say that he won’t change this one too?

luna1337

You goofy ass people need to quit acting like the parties wield so much power. If anything, Trump has proven that they don't, and that the parties will capitulate to the people if they scream loud enough. Party lines are the blurriest they've been since the civil rights movement in the 60s. Tear them down.

Hunter Chapman

im not saying that it wouldnt be historic or insane, i wouldnt bet money on it LOL, but if you are interested in my full thought process i typed it out in the first comment.

The Yard

why is that ignorant he won the primary with 76% of the vote when Republicans had full autonomy to pick any right candidate, you dont think in a scenario where he's independent (involuntarily) people dont capitulate and pick sides because they know the defacto third party (the republican in this scenario) cant win? its an insane scenario but in this context i think he has the political capital to potentially execute it.

The Yard

Personally, I prefer dubbed over singing if the end product is better. I cannot re-watch the live action Beauty and the Beast because the singing is just so wildly subpar compared to the animated. I genuinely cannot believe they let LA Beauty and the Beast go live when Hollywood with FULL of talented singers wanting work. You can make an argument for hiring multi talent performers, like people form Broadway who can act and sing, but I don't think it's necessary for every single acting + singing role. Just dub over

Mary Coffelt

i think this feedback is fair if you dont like the section because if enough people feel this way then we'd wanna change shit and thats good, but ALSO there are timestamps that allow you to see and skip sections of the show, for the future...

The Yard

i think the disagreement here is basically that not enough of the remaining hardliners for Republicans (Desantis or Haley) would not cave as the general came and I think that's totally fair

The Yard

TBH, I see his point. I think it was just depend on how strong the media representation of Trump is. If all Repub new sources turn against him fully and put out really convincing propaganda, it could turn enough ppl to split the party. If even sources of media (twitter, Tucker Carlson, etc) stay with Trump, I think he really good win an independent presidency unless the Dems put up a populous candidate.

Mary Coffelt

ill just paste my reply here but I hate the idea that this thorough thought process is just me being a dumbass, i think i make a well thought out case for a fun argument. if anything the disagreement is just a subjective difference in evaluating political context, I understand that traditionally third parties tank one side in a first past the post system and am making a case with that in mind. I feel like I thoroughly explain my position both here in the comments (first comment) and in the ep, context of the extreme nature of an independent winning is not lost on me. IDK I just hate when people make comments like this instead of explaining their position, some other people have brought some great points to the discussion.

The Yard

What do you mean wildly uninformed I spent such a long time explaining even in written form my thoughts in the current political context, if anything the disagreement is just a subjective difference in evaluating that context, I understand that traditionally third parties tank one side in a first past the post system and am making a case with that in mind. I feel like I thoroughly explain my position both here in the comments (first comment) and in the ep, context of the extreme nature of an independent winning is not lost on me. IDK I just hate when people make comments like this instead of explaining their position, some other people have brought some great points to the discussion.

The Yard

Blackshots😳

Jacob Greenlee

From Oklahoma here so I know my conservatives. Aiden is a dumbass. There are enough republicans who only voted for Trump because he was the republican that wouldn’t vote for him if he ran independent. Trump would have the best independent campaign ever, but he would not win the election.

HobbesTHero

I'm worried about Nick lately. I'm not sure what writing with Slime is doing to his brain but he's on some different shit and I just want him to go back to saving hip hop one bar at a time

Chuck

This was the first time I’ve ever read patreon comments and I will now go back to not doing so lmfaooo. But yeah this situation played out over the course of 2021-24. The only difference was trump didn’t directly say he was independent.

Cole

Charges*

Cole

Boys trump was basically priming himself to run independent albeit under the R name, establishment republicans attempted to break off while trump was still in the dumps post arrest/chatges. They ran Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis but realized they were sauceless and fell in line with trump He def wins in this scenario bc the capital owning class realizes trump has the juice and can still push their policies via him. So they’d def fund him the same way he was receiving it now. Granted if there was actually a republican who was personable running for the 2024 primary it’s a diff story

Cole

Looked back and it might have been 10 ish minutes, so maybe not even qualifying as a large chunk. I would still say the section sucked the life out of the episode and that's why I'm leaving like my 5th comment in a year and change of being on the Patreon

Carter Francis

I definitely don't agree with Aiden that Trump would still win. He has a point in his foundation that Trump is this behemoth that is changing politics in general. On another note, it was an insufferable argument to listen to. Was it 25+ minutes? Genuinely not entertaining bickering. Not even because it was about politics, it just was not a fun or engaging discussion. It just felt like bickering on camera. Not good content in the area of drama or conversation or commentary. No comedy about it. The best way to describe a large chunk of the episode is actually just horrible vibes.

Carter Francis

finding out zac efron doesn’t sing in high school musical makes me sick to my fucking stomach

Josh

If Ludwig doesn’t want CP on the show you can always invite his podcast mate P-Do on

Jared

I feel like you could take an argument between Aiden and Ludwig and no matter what it is the basis for their points would be the same. Ludwig, because of his background in streaming and YouTube, sees numbers as the end all for most of his arguments. Numbers are facts and data which you can’t argue against. Aiden on the other hand generally seems to find the context behind the data and draws an opinion independent from them.

rich bich

Aiden is wildly uninformed about how American politics works lmao, I didn't think it was possible he could be this wrong about the basics of american reality

ChairMaster

God Aiden is a fucking dork, great pod

Fletcher DeRouen

No way Trump would have won if he ran independent. Nor would have a Democratic candidate if they ousted them and they ran independent. It would have to be the craziest most god-tier candidate like no one has ever seen, along with something that just totally flipped the system upside down as a whole.

Gabe

I think CP was already on the show and the CP footage is just being kept on Ludwigs hard drive

Esoteric

I dont know what i think about independant trump specifically, BUT i do tihnk aiden has a damn good point that the party lines are shifting. Just a few years ago the big government moves that trump stands beside whole hog (not even a question, this big government admin is completely unlike VERY RECENT republican presidents) would have been more than outrageous. fair to say this is some kind of reagan-like cult of personality

Ignacio Torres

To Aidens point, the billionaires would've funded Trump regardless for sure. And there was a huge amount of blue tickets with only a red vote for pres.

Hazen Harter

Tbh I never heard of CP before yall had him on. As far as I'm concerned yall made CP.

Tyler Pierce

I’m normally team Aiden all the way but I don’t think he’s ever been more wrong than in his independent Trump argument. And since I know he doesn’t like people just saying he’s wrong without providing a reason here it goes. In the world where the GOP actually says that Trump doesn’t get to be their nominee then they would have put up someone else, let’s just say DeSantis, in that case then there is ANOTHER right wing candidate with the financial backing to run a serious campaign. I do believe that DT would get more votes than DeSantis in the this case but there are quite a few republican voters who simply just vote republican no matter who. Aiden mentions they “tow the party line” for Trump but that’s only because he’s their party’s nominee so who else are they going to back. In this world those people have someone else to back and they would which would split the vote enough for Kamala to actually just sweep. There are a lot of people who treat Trump like a god king and would vote for him but a lot of repub voters simply just see the word republican on the ballot and check box and I think Aiden isn’t thinking about them

Shane Hoeft

Everytime they said independent in that trump conversation I heard Jaden smith in my head say “need new trucks independent” like a maggot in my brain. Great pod guys 👍

Edan

you guys just literally reinvented the Bull Moose party with Trump and think it’s gonna go a different way

Jake Gold

I did the pussy thing and now she wants a divorce, whatd i do wrong?

Colton Z

The thighs are a bit too much this ep

Senji

Ah yes, the famously Catholic UK.

E

Waiting the whole political argument for Nick to say “Donald trump likes to eat it, he eats it for fun”

Noah

even if it was just 8% of votes that went the other way trump would get cooked there is absolutely no way 92%+ switch party lines just to reelect trump that’s such ignorant thinking

gettinglunch

aiden could not be more wrong about the trump independent take that was infuriating to listen to

gettinglunch

Hypothetically would you rather be an immortal breeder who pumps out a kid once a month for humanity whose children and grandchildren are life-locked to your soul, or watch DnD episode 1?

CAPTAINxCOOKIES

well if you’re gonna have CP on the show again you gotta make sure to get P. Do as well

sbin

Trump would run circles around RFK. Thats why he stopped running independent and fell in line.

Sunny D

Another Caleb ep would be sick

Lee

Bro just found out about Africa

Andrew Uddin

After the white women being fucked by dogs bit I just accepted that I couldn't listen to the yard in public.

Sean

i loved aiden barreling through ludwig lmao

Arblebee Crimdle

ludwig does this weird shit when non white people get brought up bad mix them constantly joking abt being swedish nazis

fraud.records

djinn are a separate species to humans in islamic tradition. Similar to angels(very very reductive take)

Miphon

look up micro aggression; or use this as an example

fraud.records

that first 15 minutes was rough, please take 1% from slime's shares and donate it anually to charity

fraud.records

aiden cooked with his trump argument

fraud.records

okay xander

fraud.records

type shit

Thomps

Nvm I just realised Niger and Nigeria as TWO different things, thought he took liberty in shortening Nigeria.

Cats On My Lawn

Ayo what the fuck did Aymen just say @54:01

Cats On My Lawn

Doubling down in the video episode, Aiden is 100% correct on his Trump take. Anyone who thinks otherwise is sorely mistaken.

Sunny D

Despite the CP joke (now more appropriately named Child Sexual Abuse Material… clunky) I do actually really want Caleb Pitts on the pod. Pod About Lists rivals The Yard in comedy podcasting, and overall easy listening. Caleb’s episode was one of the funniest, despite him being the cop responsible for destroying Slime’s monkey.

Sunny D

They wouldn’t do that. No Republican candidate stands a chance against Trump.

Sunny D

On main ep, Ludwig was talking about getting JOd by a 3 yr old (himself) and at that EXACT moment my phone connected to the Bluetooth in my car being worked on at the dealer, so playing through the speaker to the technician… am I on a list now? Please advise.

Helen S

i assume the scenario where aiden is an immortal godqueen birthing beast will get folded in to the d&d

SVZN77

if chris pratt becomes a doctor, and plays doctor mario in the mario movie, is he, as doctor mario, a doctor?

camquat

inside llewyn davis heads rise up

Katie

Xander Danenhauer

this week for Nick was like the week Aiden said he would kill dogs

dawnek

why do you guys say muslim like that

hepta

I think this bit is really interesting—"the remaining Republican voter base would cave and vote for him even if they didn't like it, because they understand that ousting votes to the "third party" (the Repub wet noodle nominee in this scenario) is a waste in the same way that left leaning voters do." Unfortunately, like Joshua above me said, the two party system is too entrenched. The GOP will never be seen as a "third party", because old voters (who vote reliably and consistently) will not just change their fundamental understanding of the political system. There will just be a splitting of the votes, and the Democratic candidate will emerge unscathed as the right wing fights among itself. To use your own example, left leaning voters understand that voting Jill Stein is effectively throwing away their vote, but I think the corollary is that dyed-in-the-wool liberals will never be able to view voting for the Democrats as a waste of their vote—it's just a fundamental betrayal of their personal political value system.

gabafool

I think the main issue with your reasoning is that Trump being independent only hurts his nomination chances as most average American voters are just party voters, and even if he takes his large base with him it is not going to be that large, especially since the Republican Party Institution would much rather have a Democrat win than have their party dismantled and co-opted by an independent (IMO)

Notsodeadpool15

Aiden is so wrong here, most American voters don’t even care about the candidates or policies they just vote for their party. If Trump was independent he would have divided the republican vote by a huge margin between his MAGA supporters and regular Republicans. The only reason I can see his logic is if you believe that most Republicans are the people that go to rallies and get interviewed for news segments

Notsodeadpool15

yeah lud being like "uhhh technically aladdin is american" felt so debate-broey lol like yeah no shit man

Steph

I love Amen, but he is so incredibly wrong

HeyBroItsBrad

If teddy roosevelt couldn’t pull of the independent win I don’t think trump could

Rob

CP/politics podcast earns my $5

Christian Sanko

the fans want caleb back!

mothbones _

Aladdin as a film has got a lot of subtle racism in it (still bangs tho). The original tale was obviously not invented by some white dude, so idk what Lud's talking about. Most people think it was a Syrian guy. Genies are just the Western interpretation of Djinns, which actually exist in Islamic tradition. Robin Williams genie would have predated Muhammad based on the movie's lore itself but that wouldn't be sacrilegious to Aladdin

throatygoaty

I hate how good you guys are at this

Benjamin G

Nah, see, the power of the voting block for people who do not read, just vote, he's not Republican, he doesn't get the full power of his support. I know, it's crazy to think about because of all the cult of personality going on, but the only result is he loses voters. In no world does he gain voters. That's a hard fact. I think he would have the highest vote count an independent has ever seen, but still no where near 70 million votes. And like Ludwig said, Kamala isn't losing any support in any of these scenarios. Maybe it's because you're Canadian and the system works differently there, but we are full on, no holds barred playing football with our political system in America, unfortunately. Without the team name behind him, some folks are just gonna Roll Tide and move on. It is dumb, and it can be counterintuitive, but if they didn't vote for the Republican name on the tin, then they didn't vote Republican for some people. Like, more than 5 million people at least will think that way. Then, at that point, he loses, not enough votes.

Joshua Lopez

wait I literally say that in this ep I think I defend the "moderateness" of trump voters, better word for it but yea

The Yard

its so funny seeing slime not like the hypotheticals at the end and nick having these weird takes/hypotheticals both here on the primo and on the main ep

Alessandro Belotti

aiden not every trump voter is a far right klan's member. moderate conservatives exist, there's absolutely at least 2 million of them out there who wouldn't vote for trump. this is the whole thing of why the two party system is bad, because it pushes all nuance to the side and prevents smaller ideologies from being represented

patrick

The amount of confident misinformation espoused in this episode is incredible

Brian

Aiden is smoking crack about trump winning as independent lol if 10% of his voters vote for the republican candidate instead he loses lmao

Avery Schrader

Cash Pussy

Ktoree

when the boys were talking about the jubilee video where they all pretend to be gay, I got teleported to that one reddit post about a guy playing gay chicken with his friend for 14 years and they own a bed and breakfast together in Vermont.

mike wazowski

“oh you have to be fertile for sex to count… try that in court” BRO 😂

Zaid Zeiszler

I think this is very legitimate, but I do think you are underestimating the amount of people that vote based on party alone without staying particularly invested in the political situation. Historically this has been a decent group of people and it would likely take away some percent of his voter base. It really comes down to the percentages IMO, how many people need to blindly fill in Republican since it's what they trust to split the vote enough that Democrats win a few more states. That's the information I don't know which really makes me unsure of who wins in the presented scenario, though it is interesting to speculate on. Or maybe I don't know shit cause I'm just a guy dicking off at work on his phone cause I'm tired of fixing shit for a minute.

Dave

he wouldnt have won because the rich people wouldnt put their money into trump if he was an independent lol

John Arnoult

I actually spent a ton of time thinking about this yesterday after listening to the premo, because I've been driving without much else to do. I do think that ultimately I disagree with your conclusion that he'd win, but it's not THAT crazy a conclusion to draw either imo. The thing that makes it really interesting is that I think we agree that the world you outlined -- the US has not barred his candidacy but the GOP has "put their thumb on the scale" by refusing to make him the party nominee -- has potential to make a bunch of dominoes fall that would be unprecedented in modern US politics. I do think a point that we might disagree on is that I think the base of the republican party is simultaneously pretty good at holding their noses, and are also traditionalists to a certain extent. Which is to say that I think that if the wind is blowing Trump, they're more willing to be Trumpers and get on with it than they are to stump for a more traditional republican candidate and drag out what they see to be a forgone conclusion. But I also think a world where Trump loses the mandate of heaven probably doesn't have them follow him to the MAGA party or whatever -- I do think there's a very real difference between people in an established party ignoring a personally compelling third party candidate because it would be a wasted vote, and people ignoring a weak candidate put forward by the party they are affiliated with (likely for life) for a stronger third party candidate. Trump has definitely co-opted the GOP, but I think less totally than it sometimes seems.* I think this is roughly the backbone of Ludwig/Slime stance, where if even a small number of republicans don't follow him he's unelectable. I think that's for sure true assuming current voter turnout doesn't change -- I could be wrong, but I don't think a world exists where 85% of voting republicans would bail on the establishment for third party Trump, and even that margin would have him completely dead in the water against the dem nominee. The interesting domino that could start the rest, though, is that there could not be a more perfect storm for voter turnout to change than something as galvanizing as MAGA party Trump joining the race without a strong rep or dem alternative. In that world, I think you probably get quite a lot of people who wouldn't have voted for republican Trump who would now vote MAGA Trump for any number of reasons (now he's free to really drain the swamp, maybe this will actually make it different, this will burn everything down and that'll reset things, this is new and new is fun, etc.). I think there are a not insubstantial number of people that would see a genuinely credible third party candidate for president and get more involved in the election than they otherwise might've (on any side). It's pretty difficult to project how this might go. As you rightly note, the Trump campaign has proven to be uniquely good at capturing/galvanizing these people, so I think this sort of electoral chaos is more meaningful than it has been historically. It would for sure be the strongest independent run we've ever seen in the US. I do think he'd still lose, though. It would basically come down to how much the big players were willing to shove their chips in, who took what side, etc. He'd have to have serious money backing him to get off the ground, and I think it would be tricky to get it with one set of mega wealthy clearly opposed since the GOP didn't nominate him. If a media empire didn't back him, as you note, I think that's that. *My gut (very scientific) says that probably the powerbrokers of the established GOP have been pretty happy to let Trump run wild because he's galvanized a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't have voted, he's old and the coalition he's built will very likely not outlive him (in the form it currently exists, at least), and because his strengths, such as they are, all align with getting him elected and not governance. So the gamble is that by not fighting Trump too hard, they can come out on top long term -- they can put people in place to govern, they have a scapegoat if things get very unpopular, etc. Whereas fighting would probably see them win but at the cost of a poor short term. In a world where the GOP didn't nominate him of their own accord, I think the powers that be would fight extremely hard given that a loss would in some ways end the party; I'd be staggered if they couldn't pump out enough media to sink 3rd party Trump.

skillsw

I feel like Robin Williams is a bad example as the character was essentially made for Robin Williams

A_Bit_Stale

I think aiden is wrong tbh. I think 1/10 republican are still iffy enough about Jan 6th that they'd vote for shit hole Ron DeSantis or something. I know this is a massive over simplification but I just think considering barely half of Americans tuned in to vote at all, no shot like 10 mil don't just click republican becuase they hate the dems. Especially in swing states

carter cummings

I agree with you that he would win this election. but that is only in the context of his 2016 presidency and losing the 2020 one. otherwise, these maga people would have never radicalized to this level

Niels Wiersma

If CP gains more recognition from being on the show, they could say they made CP

Brett Sandler

lots of leaving this week

Kaitzo

What if RFK had been the Republican nominee and Trump was independent?

Kevin Reyes

I don’t understand, maybe if someone said it out loud on a call…

Rado

aiden is 100% correct about the politics

Liam Manion

It’s hilarious that they run the CP bit on this episode and the Alex Premium without Lud

Aidan Rizk

holy essay (love you aimen)

nell

Im Australia Idk American politics but Aiden says a lot of words so I believe him

Bryce N

this is fucked up because i think i do need glasses soon

The Yard

ok 4 eyes

Johnathan Lynn

Caleb Penis

Andrew Uddin

i ain’t reading all that

Lechuga

what time does the main channel video get posted?

Purplekitty

@ president part, I figured I'd type this up once, I know surface level it seems like a wild take. I think if your core disagreement is that "this political context would not supersede the power of the Republican nominee" that makes sense, but I think my position of "Trump has a strong chance of winning as an Independent if the Republicans *barred him from being the nominee*" also is reasonable. His entire candidacy and history has been built on anti-establishment rhetoric. His popularity, even with traditional republicans, thrives on the basis of populist messaging that is ultimately still popular with a lot of more "trad" Republicans and especially with many historic apolitical voters. For the people saying that a lot of Republicans don't like him, look at the margins he won the Republican nomination in 2024 by. I think in the scenario I have described his Independent candidacy, he is able to build a clear narrative campaign around effectively being "the real" Republican nominee, a political "martyr" so to speak barred from what's owed to him. I think he could build comparable support to his percentage win of the Republican nominee in 2024, and if he has a majority of right leaning support in polling in that scenario, the remaining Republican voter base would cave and vote for him even if they didn't like it, because they understand that ousting votes to the "third party" (the Repub wet noodle nominee in this scenario) is a waste in the same way that left leaning voters do. In any scenario where Trump somehow lost genuine voter support and lost the Repub nomination and then chose to run Independent, he would obviously lose, of course. I don't think I'd bet money on him winning but I think it would be the strongest chance of any Independent winning in history. I think my analysis here is fair, albeit I totally understand if you still disagree, I would love to hear genuine critiques of the specifics of this argument though. Because I am basing this off of (IMO) his wins and campaigns in 2016, his general stranglehold on Republican party messaging and voter base, his margins of victory in the Repub primary, and the lack of support for Joe Biden/Kamala Harris. All of these inform my take, I think it's not unreasonable given the context I laid out haha. To me Trump is a guy who's entire political history has bucked historic voting trends and his "ideology's" hold on the current state of the Repub party is pretty evident, is it that crazy to say with all the context so far we could imagine another trend being bucked? Maybe yea but anyway I think I laid it all out. ty for listening!aimen Edit - I think another specific counter argument for my own is Trump's team has always been very good at wielding media, you can get a sense of how they do this through some interviews Steve Bannon has done over the years, but if he was an Independent how much of that media grip does he lose, if the messaging of the martyr can't get out anymore it can't work Someone on another thread also pointed out that the current Trump campaign made concessions to RFK even with his small support base and I think that's interesting as well against my point anyway i think this is a fun topic ...

The Yard

wahoo!

Faye852