Rodrigo Borgia (with Patrick Wyman)
Added 2025-02-06 08:00:11 +0000 UTC
Our favorite historian and host of The Tides of History podcast joins us to ask and answer a question that's been on our minds since we started the show: Are popes mayors? The answer is: Kind of!
To do so, we talk through the Pope's very mayor-like role during specifically the Renaissance, and the most mayor-like pope of them all, Rodrigo Borgia aka Pope Alexander VI. Now pull out your sword, and get to stabbin'!
Also, if you're on the west coast of America, why not catch Mattie on tour next week!
Comments
He fits with the pod perfectly.
Bex
2025-11-11 16:49:27 +0000 UTCGod this guest is such a nerd🙄
a
2025-07-07 21:37:18 +0000 UTC"Imagine you're building a golden dome"
DrJKL
2025-07-05 17:50:49 +0000 UTCrelistening to this today in celebration of the new pope
Nina
2025-05-08 17:01:47 +0000 UTCWhat I want is a Renaissance Rome Yakuza game. You even have the random battle system
Ineloquent Reverie
2025-02-20 11:36:43 +0000 UTCThe look of shock on my face when November casually mentions the Legionaries of Christ who ran the school I went to from 8th grade to 12th----great episode. Going to listen to Patrick's podcast now
James Butler
2025-02-17 12:58:08 +0000 UTCOh wow can't wait for the next municipal roundup. Mayors truly are teflon and Istanbul is always the first stop.
Minna Ihalainen
2025-02-11 21:17:42 +0000 UTCSo there's been a lot of extra mayoral media appearances logged in the podcast so far, would you say that being the villain of an Assassin's Creed game is higher on the hierarchy than a guest spot on CHIPS but lower than a Turkish romantic comedy?
BluetoothThePirate
2025-02-07 18:20:29 +0000 UTCNorthernmost Caribbean City is a nickname that already belongs to New Orleans. I nearly threw my Walkman across the gym when Patrick said that about Miami
Syzygy
2025-02-07 13:37:07 +0000 UTCMussolini could have been a mayor, but he performed badly at the poles
Noblesse Oblahaj
2025-02-07 13:24:47 +0000 UTCAll these boomer economists writing articles about how millennials are killing the stout trading ship industry
Noblesse Oblahaj
2025-02-07 13:08:59 +0000 UTCNow you have to cover the mayor of Ravenna that expelled the Goths to the lagoon
Insom
2025-02-07 08:20:49 +0000 UTCso I google this guy after hearing the description, and the actors they had played him look nothing like the descriptions. *laughs*
Matthew Theisen
2025-02-07 07:51:09 +0000 UTCThis new knowledge is putting Romeo and Juliet in a new light for me now. Italians were just doing that shit in the Renaissance huh
Zagreuses-toast
2025-02-07 00:52:23 +0000 UTCOk here is another non mayor mayor arguably doges like sure you might own extra territory outside of Venice but that is arguably land that is under the thumb of a municipal government
Mildly invested
2025-02-06 23:13:40 +0000 UTC🎵let’s have a conclave/ A conclave motherfucker/ I’m gonna make you Pope/ Let’s have a conclave/ Uh huh🎶
John Leavitt
2025-02-06 23:12:06 +0000 UTCI’d call him a mayor just to talk about him, poet- king of a port city you claim is a pirate republic is a KIND of mayor
John Leavitt
2025-02-06 22:34:21 +0000 UTCAlso Romeo and Juliet makes a lot more sense now esp the adaptations that make it a gang war
Mildly invested
2025-02-06 22:01:22 +0000 UTCOH right you mean the post-1943 republic. I'm not really sure that counts given it had authority over most of Northern Italy lol. That said maybe D'Annunzio would count as a mayor for the purposes of the podcast. He was certainly megalomaniacal enough to be one :p
marilyn
2025-02-06 21:45:59 +0000 UTCare you thinking of the Regency of Carnaro or whatever it was called? Wasn't that D'Annunzio? I don't recall Mussolini being the leader of any state prior to the March on Rome...
marilyn
2025-02-06 21:42:28 +0000 UTCAlso considering that puppet state he was in charge of before his death I would say Mussolini counts as a mayor too
Mildly invested
2025-02-06 21:40:25 +0000 UTCWell I would say right up till the early modern period a bishop was analogous to a contemporary mayor and since the pope is bishop of Rome this tracks
Mildly invested
2025-02-06 21:29:35 +0000 UTCThe greatest mayor of all time
AbsolxGuardian
2025-02-06 20:04:57 +0000 UTCWait, wasn’t the constantian gift a fake document?
Anggg
2025-02-06 20:03:06 +0000 UTCYou are aware the root 'nepos' literally means nephew...?
Jeff
2025-02-06 19:27:24 +0000 UTCI love that Patrick was given an outlet to discuss how insane the Renaissance was.
Akileese
2025-02-06 18:30:02 +0000 UTCGreat early career with Can Town, but his later political endorsements were naïve.
Borangehat
2025-02-06 17:46:22 +0000 UTCnepheudalism
marilyn
2025-02-06 16:51:38 +0000 UTCJust had a searing mental image of a talented Brescian gunmaker getting mad at someone, constructing a makeshift musket within seconds, shooting the guy, throwing the gun into a river, dusting his hands, and walking away
marilyn
2025-02-06 16:46:38 +0000 UTCYeah an hre prince bishop is totally a mayor as long as you permit the changes to the defintion of mayor that applies to imperial cities
AbsolxGuardian
2025-02-06 16:38:49 +0000 UTCI think the football player y'all were thinking of is Antonio Cromartie. He has 14 known kids and an unknown amount out there
Zach Sampson
2025-02-06 16:28:53 +0000 UTCfinally have some expertise to add to an episode: pour one out for rodrigo borgia who died of malaria, very sad, not mentioned in the episode, etc
duckyaisha
2025-02-06 15:43:51 +0000 UTCDid not realize that the Pope being in Avignon effectively restored the Roman Republic.
Hedrigal
2025-02-06 14:06:47 +0000 UTCThe holy Roman prince bishops are definitely mayors.
Hedrigal
2025-02-06 13:37:33 +0000 UTCSo now that we figured out that popes aren't mayor's because of various reasons I raise the question: what about bishops?
cavira cavidura
2025-02-06 12:38:19 +0000 UTC"A Pope's nephew dies twice; the second time like all men, the first time when his uncle dies."
Nemo
2025-02-06 12:37:29 +0000 UTCWell if fictional mayors are on the table, I'd like to submit The Mayor from Homestuck
Marjorie Zeager
2025-02-06 12:35:50 +0000 UTCMay I introduce you to Simony 3.0; we have crypts, we have non fungible relics, we have the mitre verse
Gilded Dragon
2025-02-06 10:57:00 +0000 UTCCrack is derived from Coca, coca was a favored additive to papal wine. Egyptians weren't doing crack, they were doing Zoroastrian Haoma ie Meth USA Rome is Salt Lake City (theocratic, has imperial ambitions, cyclopean architecture, very clique-y elite, polytheist, unfriendly to Catholicism, built among hills) Wait... the donation of Constantine is a 9th century document. It isn't late antique in the least Edit: omg yes fucking Christ's Legion. prosperity gospel evangelical calvinism but Catholic
Gilded Dragon
2025-02-06 09:35:51 +0000 UTCNo Patrick on MOOD this week: 😾 Yes Patrick on NGNM this week: 😻
Shivvy
2025-02-06 09:21:33 +0000 UTCevryone knows st louis is new rome. where the papacy will be restored after the great deluge.
SunRaTheThird
2025-02-06 08:54:29 +0000 UTCThe Nate Bethea extended universe is mostly befuddling history riffs and Patrick Wyman guest appearances now. I couldn't be more happy.
Jordan Minehan
2025-02-06 08:50:24 +0000 UTCSurely this is a slippery slope that lets you do everyone from Lee Kwan Yew to Sulla?
Maggie+Al
2025-02-06 08:36:01 +0000 UTC3 AM going back for more mayor hell yeah
miramask
2025-02-06 08:21:02 +0000 UTC
