New analysis supports Antikythera Mechanism calendar results.
Added 2024-04-16 06:50:03 +0000 UTCHey Folks,
Many thanks for your patience on the next Antikythera video. As is often the case it's taking much longer to complete the work than I would prefer.
As I continue to work on it, I thought you might like an update on the status of the Front Dial Calendar Ring, and how your Patron support has generated new and interesting progress in the research.
You will recall that during the initial investigations for the mechanism build, I noticed the 365-holes assumption for the calendar ring did not match what can be seen in the wreckage: https://youtu.be/MkKgdq57uOo. Pulling on this thread, and with the help of coauthors (who are patrons and volunteered their help) we set off on a two-year investigation to source original CT data and then analyze and publish the results in a peer-reviewed journal. We presented evidence that the long-presumed concensus view of a 365-day solar calendar is statistically unlikely to be correct. Further, that the more likely interpretation is that the calendar ring of the Antikythera Mechanism is a 354-day lunar calendar: https://bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/BHI-Antikythera-Mechanism-Evidence-of-a-Lunar-Calendar.pdf
Now, two independant research groups have found even stronger support for that discovery.
Both Woan & Bayley [ https://bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/07-HJJuly24-AOTM-2.pdf ], and separately, Malin & Dickens [ https://bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/04-HJApril24-AOTM.pdf ] have found with high certainty that the Antikythera Mechanism Calendar Ring is most likely a 354-day calendar. Using the original data from our paper, each of these new papers take different approaches to the analysis and replicate our results with similar or higher precision.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but neither the initial publication of this discovery nor its (twice) independent replication would have occurred without your Patron support. To me, this is citizen science at its very best, and I very much want you to take pride in helping to make it happen.
The finding triggers an interesting cascade of consequences for the existing research. It requires a re-think of much of what has previously been published, and also introduces a new perspective on the nature of the device, and perhaps the people who built it. All of which we will examine together, as the project continues.
Thank you again,
Chris.
An improved calendar ring hole-count for the Antikythera mechanism
Graham Woan, Joseph Bayley
Published on 29 Feb 2024
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.00040
How Many Days in an Egyptian Year?
Evidence from the Antikythera Mechanism
Stuart Malin, R. J. Dickens
Published April 2024
https://bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/04-HJApril24-AOTM.pdf
Comments
Cheers mate :)
Clickspring
2024-05-30 19:42:01 +0000 UTCCongratulations! I love how your channel has progressed from simple metal working to metal working as an art form to experimental archeology. Keep up the good work!
evertw
2024-05-29 11:00:10 +0000 UTCHello Murray, I will cover in detail as the build progresses - Cheers :)
Clickspring
2024-05-03 21:49:25 +0000 UTCWith these finding more firmly nailed down. How dose this affect the thinking on the rest mechanism? Thanks for all your work.
Murray Brett
2024-04-30 23:25:36 +0000 UTCThanks Bob, aiming for next month - Cheers :)
Clickspring
2024-04-18 18:20:51 +0000 UTCCheers Angela :)
Clickspring
2024-04-18 18:20:21 +0000 UTCThank you mate :)
Clickspring
2024-04-18 18:20:09 +0000 UTCThank you Thomas :)
Clickspring
2024-04-18 18:19:59 +0000 UTCChris, it's fantastic news that your Team's results have been independently validated by the two other groups! Can you give an estimate (perhaps the month rather than the actual "day") as to when your next Patreon video will be released? Especially if it is on the Antikythera Mechanism!
Bob Vines
2024-04-18 15:19:45 +0000 UTCCongratulations Chris, what an effort. Well done 👏
Angela Rawlins
2024-04-18 09:49:34 +0000 UTCBig Congrats to you and the team, Chris, A.T. Thoeni, M. Dubno, and A.T. Ramsey. Very well done, and looking forward to future discoveries.
Duncan Luddite
2024-04-18 06:55:21 +0000 UTCThat’s fantastic progress! I had no idea that you were doing this. By the way, getting published in a peer-reviewed journal as someone not from an acknowledged research institution is no mean feat! Kudos to you and your co-authors
Thomas Herbig
2024-04-17 21:46:13 +0000 UTCCheers Kaylee :)
Clickspring
2024-04-16 19:14:17 +0000 UTCThank you John :)
Clickspring
2024-04-16 19:12:23 +0000 UTCThank you John :)
Clickspring
2024-04-16 19:12:01 +0000 UTCThank you Jessica!
Clickspring
2024-04-16 19:11:16 +0000 UTCCould not do it without you mate, thank you :)
Clickspring
2024-04-16 19:10:58 +0000 UTCThanks Patch!
Clickspring
2024-04-16 19:10:13 +0000 UTCWhat a fun conversation that would be!
Clickspring
2024-04-16 19:09:59 +0000 UTCThank you Viviane!
Clickspring
2024-04-16 19:08:57 +0000 UTCWoah, this is SUPER cool! Having your findings replicated/built upon is a high honor! This is also a good example of the old adage about discovery: It starts with a "Huh, I must be missing something?"
Kaylee Kerin
2024-04-16 13:45:24 +0000 UTCVery cool news and very glad to have helped support this work, even if only a tiny amount. As you said citizen science at its very best.
John S. Fetzik
2024-04-16 13:08:13 +0000 UTCI'm really pleased to see this news. I've skimmed the two articles, a bit of math there, and I'll stop at the print shop and print them out on the way to the shop this morning, I read technical stuff much better on paper. Congrats again!
John S Dilsaver
2024-04-16 13:00:42 +0000 UTCThis is so amazing! Really incredible work.
Jessica David
2024-04-16 11:45:33 +0000 UTCI don't what to say just proud that I am, in some small way, a part of this work.
Jeff Armstrong
2024-04-16 11:25:51 +0000 UTCChris, this is an astounding outcome!
Patch Arcana
2024-04-16 10:55:04 +0000 UTCExcellent results. Great to be vindicated and all that research paying off. It still amuses me to think how, the original designer or engineer who conceived of the mechanism, would look at all these musings and speculations and think "Well of course it was done this way, how else would you do it?
veritanuda
2024-04-16 08:13:00 +0000 UTCAwesome news ! :D I barely understand a thing, but I am quite happy marveling at your stupendous work from afar. Greetings and many encouragements from France !
Viviane Jénoc
2024-04-16 07:38:17 +0000 UTCNo, just the future work - Cheers mate :)
Clickspring
2024-04-16 07:33:27 +0000 UTCThat is very good news Chris. Will any of the ‘cascade of consequences’ impact any of the development work you have already done?
DaveC
2024-04-16 07:30:30 +0000 UTCAnd it is very much appreciated Gert, thank you :)
Clickspring
2024-04-16 07:28:41 +0000 UTCBeing academically educated myself (computer science), I am so gratified at this. Being able to directly support scientific research with major results like this is a rare treat indeed!
Gert Sønderby
2024-04-16 07:23:44 +0000 UTCThey sure do! Regarding possible missing gearing related to our finding, we cover the subject in detail in Part 2 of our article: https://bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/BHI-Antikythera-Mechanism-Evidence-of-a-Lunar-Calendar.pdf - Cheers :)
Clickspring
2024-04-16 07:04:01 +0000 UTCGreat news, and long awaited! The cogs of academia turn quite slowly! I reiterate my question to the researchers: What geartrain pieces, now presumably lost, must the mechanism have had in order to function appropriately (and accurately)?
Gregor Shapiro
2024-04-16 06:57:17 +0000 UTC
